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I’m not racist, but... Bias in social media, online algorithms, and the bubbles they create - Shared screen with speaker view
Jennifer Carabba
20:54
I’m here for both PSYC with Gillian Patton and for my argumentative speech with Eric Robertson about how to audit fake news. :)
Zurubi Palacios
21:17
My name is Zurubi Palacios student, Dr. Luengo’s philosophy 100
Simon Dragon
21:28
Millennial.
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
21:29
millennial
Jazzy Hendrix
21:29
Gen Z
Paige Bain
21:31
Gen z
Alex Alaoen
21:31
Millenial
Pamela Perry
21:32
boomer
Steven Deineh (he/him)
21:33
Millenial. By one year.
Isabel Luengo
21:34
I’m at the beginning of Gen X
Jennifer Carabba
21:37
I’m right there with you! 1980. Xish
Lauren McFall
21:37
Oh! GenZ!
Shane Anderson
21:38
Millennial.
Lisa Tisdale
21:38
Quasi-boomer
Kerry Ferreirae
21:38
No idea... I’m 55
Derek Pounders
21:39
I have no idea but I'm 23
Sarah Burns
21:42
Gen X
Jennifer Paris
21:43
Solid Gen X
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
21:43
Gen X, just barely, on the 1965 side
Dulce (she/her)
21:47
X
Stephanie (she,her) Miko
21:51
I am generation x of all things.
David Detwiler
21:53
Baby boomer.
Daria
21:57
Gen X
Luis Mozo Torres
22:22
Gen Z
Yesenia Rivera
22:33
millennial
Zurubi Palacios
22:34
Millennial
Stephanie (she,her) Miko
22:40
55 born in 66 is actually GenX . . . hahahaha
Luis Mozo Torres
23:13
I'm Gen Z and I only have FB LOl I'm weird
Shane Anderson
23:26
Oh, I guess I'm below the curve on that social media usage.
Rocy O'campo
23:34
what's difference on gen z and gen x ??
Shane Anderson
23:48
That's a frightening name choice.
Lauren McFall
23:53
Gen X was born in mid-70s-80
Jazzy Hendrix
24:11
I agree that name choice is a little scary
Lauren McFall
24:12
Millenial is roughly 81-00
Jennifer Carabba
24:30
yup
Stacey von Winckelmann
24:32
yes
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
24:33
YES
Vanessa Villarreal
24:33
Yes
Pamela Perry
24:34
yes
Eddy C
24:34
yes
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
24:35
absolutely
Simon Dragon
24:35
Yes
Lisa Tisdale
24:35
Oh, yeah...
Derek Pounders
24:35
Oh yea
Steven Deineh (he/him)
24:36
OMG
Sarah Burns
24:36
yes
Jennifer Paris
24:36
YES
Dulce (she/her)
24:37
yes
Jazzy Hendrix
24:37
YESSSSS
Luis Mozo Torres
24:38
It exists everywhere
Yesenia Rivera
24:39
yes
Paige Bain
24:40
yes, i think racism exists in every space
Kerry Ferreirae
24:40
Racism exists everywhere
Stephanie (she,her) Miko
24:43
Oh good lord, heck yes.
Angel Castillo
24:45
yes
Alex Alaoen
24:46
Yes
Zurubi Palacios
24:47
Yes
oliviapine
24:48
yes
David Detwiler
24:54
Absolutely
Daria
24:56
Yeppers
Shane Anderson
25:01
Oh, 100 percent!
samantha guzman
25:02
yes, of course!
Paige Bain
25:09
anywhere people are present, racism will be als
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
25:15
Poll you have to "launch" it for zoomers to see it.
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
25:53
The digital divide
Shane Anderson
25:53
The house just passed the COVID 19 Hate Bill, so there's a small piece of evidence.
Lauren McFall
26:15
ooh! I'll have to look into that Shane
Shane Anderson
26:53
I got you: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6721
Lauren McFall
26:59
nice!
Paige Bain
27:38
hidden figures
Rocy O'campo
27:39
?
Jazzy Hendrix
27:43
Hidden Figures
Derek Pounders
27:56
Such a good movie
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
27:57
twitter zoom racism lol
Steven Deineh (he/him)
27:58
But the White faces are highlighted...
Steven Deineh (he/him)
28:02
Not the Black scientists
Jennifer Carabba
28:46
I feel like the ”hidden figures” one was deliberate to the title.
Jennifer Carabba
28:50
I could be wrong...
Jennifer Carabba
30:48
Coded Bias on Netflix is a great documentary regarding bias in AI. Very interesting. :)
Simon Dragon
32:00
If it weren’t for social media, I wouldn’t have met my wife.
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
32:20
FOMO
Lauren McFall
32:28
I just watched Coded Bias yesterday :)
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
34:07
Women in Computer Science club hosted Shalini Kantayya, the director for Coded Bias last Friday, it was so enlightening.
Lauren McFall
34:23
That's so amazing, Rosie!
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
34:32
I feel like social media is like stepping onto a crowded elevator filled with surface exchanges. How 'ya doing? Great? You? Great.
Isabel Luengo
35:28
Check out Jaron Lanier’s Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
36:14
Shout out to MySpace for deleting all my embarrassing growing up social media posts when they changed ownership wooo
Lauren McFall
36:39
hahahaha. MySpace! Oh, Tom, you're so much nicer than Mark.
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
37:08
Great boomer reference!
Jennifer Carabba
41:43
No one wants the responsibility on them. :(
Isabel Luengo
41:56
Human’s fall for cognitive biases
Isabel Luengo
42:03
*Humans
Pamela Perry
43:32
yes
Angel Castillo
43:35
yeah
Alex Alaoen
43:35
Oh yeah
Vanessa Villarreal
43:36
No.
Jennifer Carabba
43:37
Yes. Such a lie. :(
David Frieder
43:38
I’ve heard it before.
Jim Julius (he/him)
43:42
“On the Internet nobody knows you’re a dog” (famous New Yorker cartoon)
Isabel Luengo
44:14
It’s hard to use it when you live in a rural area, believe me!
Jazzy Hendrix
45:18
it is also happening on the app TikTok
Lauren McFall
45:18
It's my daughter's dream
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
46:03
Who wrote the code that powers these search algorithms? How many of those coders were people of color/LGBTQIA?
Isabel Luengo
46:44
The problem is that we have chosen an ad based way of paying for social media. We think we get it for free
Lauren McFall
46:45
Definitely. We've got something to show for that :)
Jennifer Carabba
47:17
It’s my only social media now. ;)
Isabel Luengo
47:19
Nobody programs the algorithm. As Lauren said, the machine learns from what it already exists
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
48:28
I've refrained from using TikTok, there was a study showing that TikTok's algorithms suppress content from lower socioeconomic backgrounds
Jim Julius (he/him)
48:36
But the machine learning process is an algorithm …
Lauren McFall
48:49
The black box
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
48:55
(literally, if your background looks "poor"
Lauren McFall
48:56
no one knows the secret sauce
David Frieder
49:33
I think the first place I heard that term was in the South Park game The Fractured but Whole.
Jennifer Carabba
49:56
I’m staying on TT and trying to reprogram the algorithm… LOL
David Frieder
50:42
How do you reprogram the algorithm? Do they have an open API you can use, or are you trying to manipulate the algorithm through crowd efforts?
Jennifer Carabba
51:10
Yeah, that. Manipulation. ;)
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
51:25
Lol when Disney copyrighted "Hakuna Matata" and tried that sht with "Dia de los Muertos" too smh
Isabel Luengo
51:26
The algorithm is designed to keep people on the platform. Raicism is a byproduct
Jennifer Carabba
51:31
It’s probably a futile effort but it makes me feel good.
Zurubi Palacios
51:43
Canceled
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
51:56
well said.
David Frieder
52:10
The most I can notice is native American imagery on the butter.
samantha guzman
52:17
It's stolen culture
Jazzy Hendrix
52:24
yes stolen culture
Jazzy Hendrix
52:34
never give credit
Lauren McFall
52:46
and, the culture being stolen doesn't make money off these products
Jazzy Hendrix
52:46
gives*
Jennifer Carabba
52:56
Makes an American feel “cultured: :(
Paige Bain
53:04
Especially when someones culture is sexualized through costumes and misuse
Derek Pounders
53:07
Sauvage smells funky anyway
Lisa Tisdale
53:29
The "sauvage" commercials are awful.
David Frieder
53:50
I immediately notice the Mexican culture appropriation in the upper left corner.
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
53:58
But she is not Black.
David Frieder
54:02
The lower left looks like a geisha.
Lauren McFall
54:06
yes, on a White Barbie.
Jazzy Hendrix
54:08
Right she isn't black
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
56:50
I notice that some demographics who sometimes will defend the appropriation because it's misconstrued as representation. They are just happy to see their culture represented in the mainstream that the fact they are profiteering is forgiven, and even defended.
Zurubi Palacios
57:07
Is LatinX culturally accepted or appropriate? Because of many many backgrounds
Jennifer Carabba
57:35
Is there a time when the use of something from a different culture is appropriate?
David Frieder
57:51
Who would the companies ask for permission to?
Kerry Ferreirae
58:07
How do people feel about a white person who wears BLM shirts/bracelets?
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
58:48
If I've offended someone racially, I don't have the right to police the tone. I should be grateful that I am getting some feedback, regardless of the tone.
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
59:06
@Kerry depends. Allyship is good, but are they marketing their own blm "merch" for personal gain? or did they purchase that from a source that directly benefits the BLM cause?
Derek Pounders
59:17
If they are wearing a BLM shirt I feel like the cause is seen, so I feel seen.
Lauren McFall
59:48
@Zurubi, bucketing distinct cultural groups is rooted in ignorance, for sure.
Daria
01:00:41
I've seen shirts that say "Kindness Matters". Does that downplay the importance of "Black Lives Matter"?
Lauren McFall
01:00:58
I'm not sure that they're related, Daria.
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:00:59
Exactly, allyship is about amplifying voices, not speaking for them
Lauren McFall
01:01:08
I'd have to do some research on it
Zurubi Palacios
01:01:43
@Lauren I find it difficult as well that LatinX appropriation
Jennifer Carabba
01:01:53
Intent is everything.
audrey molifua
01:02:01
What about people who get tattoos that represent a different culture than they are?
Isabel Luengo
01:02:37
Can white (European) culture be appropriated?
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:02:46
Asking one “representative” of a culture for “permission” can also be problematic too tho, yeah?
Jennifer Carabba
01:03:01
There are times when you could be invited to a celebration, to wear the garb, to participate.
Simon Dragon
01:03:17
Is it cultural appropriation, if someone of one culture admires a fashion trend of another culture, and adopts it, if there’s no money involved? Just a personal choice?
Derek Pounders
01:03:30
I think companies should donate major funds to certain communities if they feel the need to appropriate, like that football team
Zurubi Palacios
01:03:59
Yes that was right, thank you
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:04:05
I have a share on wearing BLM if there is time.
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:04:14
Jim, yes! Absolutely. In an ideal world, you’d have lots of voices from that particular culture represented.
Jennifer Carabba
01:04:24
Many cultures can tell when someone wants to learn and respect their culture.
David Frieder
01:05:54
So in that case, what do you think a fair representation would look like in cases like the Dia de los Muertos Barbie?
Lauren McFall
01:06:03
Go for it, Nate
Dulce (she/her)
01:06:22
yes!!! @Sean
Daria
01:07:32
So it's about intent. :o)
Simon Dragon
01:08:14
Does America have a unique culture?
Daria
01:08:21
This is very helpful!
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:08:35
A person can have good “intent” yet actually be super insensitive to the reality of the situation ...
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:08:46
That part ^^
Daria
01:08:49
That's a good point, Jim.
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:08:59
To me it's not only about intent, it's about owning up to your actions, intent might be good, but intent without consideration for those around you is meaningless because your "intent" was only good to a certain extent
Jennifer Carabba
01:09:04
It’s also so hard to say that I personally can identify where the “lines” are as a white woman.
Luis Mozo Torres
01:09:14
yes even good intentions can lead to bad outcomes
Daria
01:09:37
All good points :o)
Jazzy Hendrix
01:09:58
Yes @Rosey I totally agree with you
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:11:08
we don't hear it.
Isabel Luengo
01:11:11
It’s not so bad, Lauren
Jennifer Carabba
01:11:13
The sound isn’t that bad
Lauren McFall
01:11:45
It's so loud here - SOOO sorry
Jennifer Carabba
01:11:55
Make each other laugh
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:11:59
conversations,
Isabel Luengo
01:12:01
Make people really rich!
Jazzy Hendrix
01:12:02
supporting one another
Dulce (she/her)
01:12:03
communicate
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:12:09
Keeping up to date with one another
oliviapine
01:12:12
inspo
Jennifer Carabba
01:12:13
Share life updates.
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:12:14
sharing the good things happening in our lives
Luis Mozo Torres
01:12:19
breaking up
David Frieder
01:12:25
sharing knowledge much faster.
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:12:26
mostly the GOOD
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:12:41
relationship status - it's complicated
Lisa Tisdale
01:12:42
LOL! Thank you for this great session today :)
Isabel Luengo
01:13:27
Social media amplifies the most radical positions
Daria
01:13:34
My cousin... UGH!
Lauren McFall
01:13:43
too true, Isabel
Luis Mozo Torres
01:13:58
I don't have one, I think my dad might be that uncle...
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:14:01
My life sucks.
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:14:05
I enjoy being far less obsessed with the ridiculous opinions of people I don’t otherwise interact with after having gotten off Facebook a couple years ago
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:14:06
I have that uncle...
Jennifer Carabba
01:14:42
Shot glasses!! From around the world!
Dulce (she/her)
01:14:46
lol
Derek Pounders
01:14:50
I don't want to live in a bubble of like minded people but man... sometimes I just want to delete a lot of people off social media... the ignorance is so high
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:14:51
Yesss!!
Daria
01:15:14
I already have, Derek...
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:15:16
comparing self to carefully curated content and photo filtered experiences of others... not real life.
Luis Mozo Torres
01:15:29
youtube is my best friend
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:15:30
Or the side mirror on my car!!
Lauren McFall
01:16:06
wait, like AOL?!
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:16:14
Like, audio based.
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:16:20
No video at all
Lauren McFall
01:16:22
remember AOL chat rooms?
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:16:27
Yes!! LOL
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:16:31
AOL, messenger
Derek Pounders
01:16:32
AOL was the bestttt
Luis Mozo Torres
01:16:50
AOL was a giant back in the day
Angel Castillo
01:17:47
Hey I gotta go to work but thanks for the great chat!
Lauren McFall
01:18:00
Thanks for coming to the talk, Angel
Isabel Luengo
01:18:14
But there is a choice architecture that leads us in a certain direction down the rabbit hole
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:18:28
Exactly….
Lauren McFall
01:18:34
^ we will talk more about that :)
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:18:50
The recommendations on Netflix, Prime, etc. will filter what you see and keep you in that bubble
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:18:53
$ follows attention. Good nugget.
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:19:40
Capitalism tells us our attention should follow $
Isabel Luengo
01:19:41
How different the world would be if social media was subscription based…
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:19:58
Attention based economy, @Nate
Luis Mozo Torres
01:21:07
Sean is a great speaker
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:21:50
I reject teachings about how to be old because I don't want to be old LOL.
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:21:58
LOL
Lauren McFall
01:22:06
haha, good luck with that
Lauren McFall
01:22:29
the injuries start mounting :)
Jennifer Carabba
01:22:31
@Nate LOL YES! I’ll always be immature for my age...
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:22:48
He’s famous in Comm too!!
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:23:31
Or maybe they are just a sociopath
Amy Eager
01:23:47
I have to leave for another meeting, this was extremely informative and enlightening. Thank you so much to the hosts and speakers❤️
Lauren McFall
01:23:50
I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel.
Lauren McFall
01:23:54
Bye, Amy
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:23:58
Thanks Amy!!
Lauren McFall
01:23:59
Thanks for joining us
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:24:46
We create our own sense of self from what others think about us. Hence, looking for positive affirmation may inhibit personal growth, when we can learn more from those experience in a way we don't want to see.
David Frieder
01:26:08
Sorry, my internet cut off. What did I miss?
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:26:22
that also doesn't take into account the intersection between gender/ethnicity
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:26:50
so the representation of women of color is even lower than you think
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:27:06
Yes, exactly.
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:28:22
@ Rosy. Good point. Subset of a group is not represented.
Isabel Luengo
01:28:34
Asians/Asian Americans are overrepresented in the tech world. That did not help ameliorate anti-Asian sentiment
Jennifer Carabba
01:28:59
I unfortunately know about this too well as my other half works in captions for a big tech company...
Jennifer Carabba
01:29:06
It’s boring.
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:29:41
it's mostly due to AI and machine learning, these technologies rely on data, and since data comes from available history, then tech evolves as the data tells it to
Isabel Luengo
01:29:57
@Rosey that’s correct
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:29:59
history is predominantly "white" thanks to colonization and imperialism
Jennifer Carabba
01:30:48
It was fun at first..
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:31:00
AI only gives responses, not thinking, not awareness, not consciousness. .
Daria
01:31:16
You miss out on different perspectives
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:32:52
This is just a different type of “appropriation”
Derek Pounders
01:32:59
That's so sad. It's 2021, we should be doing better.
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:33:28
Jim, yes!
Isabel Luengo
01:33:43
They want to make money, and it’s working very well for them
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:33:44
Capitalizing on the moment for their own benefit
Jennifer Carabba
01:33:51
Does anyone think we actually ARE doing better than in the past?
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:33:54
No long term systemic changes
Isabel Luengo
01:34:05
@Jennifer I do
Isabel Luengo
01:34:26
Thanks to all the people who came before and fought
Jennifer Carabba
01:34:51
@Isabel <3
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:34:59
Corporations are doing an amazing job of trying to appear “woke” and I worry that we are giving them a pass on so many of the social justice things that are no better.
Lauren McFall
01:35:15
not realistic, because there are definitely ways that social media can be used appropriately
Simon Dragon
01:35:58
I have no social media at all, but I do use technology everyday.
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:36:13
@ JIm. TOTALLY. I do research on actual hiring practices vs. what co's show as consumer facing representation of diversity. The hiring of diversity is still lacking, especially in tech.
Lauren McFall
01:36:37
google has been firing the very people they hired to address diversity
Lauren McFall
01:36:39
it's a big problem
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:37:28
Yes, thankfully there is a huge backlash surrounding Dr Gebru and Dr Mitchell's firing, but the way they went about it, the gasmighting is a perfect example of how these corporations cannot self police worth a damn
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:37:38
gaslighting*
Lauren McFall
01:37:44
so on point, Rosey. I'm so glad you're here!
Isabel Luengo
01:38:22
This is so helpful, Doc
Daria
01:38:49
Great info!
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:39:21
robots love engagement, good or bad, doesn't matter to the platforms what that engagement is.
Jennifer Carabba
01:39:26
I HAVE to keep IG just so I can check restaurant specials. But I did delete the app… ;)
Isabel Luengo
01:39:48
@Nate So right!
Jazzy Hendrix
01:39:50
Thank you guys so much for this zoom meeting! I have another meeting in 5 mins. Thank you guys again!
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:39:59
Are we recording this?
Nate Scharff. Faculty. Business Dept.
01:40:16
I hope yes.
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:40:34
Yes, its being recorded!
oliviapine
01:40:35
I have to go as well, but thank you!! Such an interesting and informative talk.
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:40:36
It shows in the corner that it is being recorded (upper left)
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:40:59
Thanks Olivia!
Doc Rachel Hastings
01:41:04
Thanks Jazzy!
Jennifer Carabba
01:41:12
When I worked as a server we were always taught that someone will pass on a bad experience to 10 people but great service will only tell 1 person.
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:41:19
How can people hate him, he just wants to give you a living wage and healthcare. Literally America's grandpa
Derek Pounders
01:42:13
Because money > humanity is how to many function
Lauren McFall
01:42:52
library.miracosta.edu
Lauren McFall
01:43:02
library.miracosta.edu/misinformation
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:43:03
Thank you so much, this was an awesome panel
Jennifer Carabba
01:43:16
Thank you Lauren!!!
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:43:27
You're amazing Lauren!!
Simon Dragon
01:43:29
Thank you, everyone on the panel and in the chat.
Isabel Luengo
01:43:30
Happy National Librarian Day, Lauren!
Lauren McFall
01:44:31
Doc and Sean are the best!
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:44:32
This was so cool! Great event, great series!
Sarah Burns
01:44:35
Thank you all for doing these Friday panels.
Rocy O'campo
01:44:36
thank you for let me be part of it! ;)
Eddy C
01:44:44
Just want to say thank you to all for the conversation! I really enjoyed it and I came from the recommendation of Professor Thompson!
Lauren McFall
01:44:45
Thank you Rocy for coming :)
David Detwiler
01:44:50
Thank you all!
Yesenia Rivera
01:44:53
thank you!
Derek Pounders
01:44:55
Thanks!
audrey molifua
01:44:56
Thank you
Rosey Gutierrez (she/her)
01:44:56
Thank you, have a wonderful weekend!
Alex Alaoen
01:44:56
Thanks for the panel!
Jazmin Cueva
01:44:58
Thank you all!
Isabel Luengo
01:45:09
Thank you! Come to the next one!
samantha guzman
01:45:11
Thank You
David Frieder
01:45:24
Thank you! Bye!